tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6829387754982675014.post5241942180562000126..comments2023-09-08T08:37:05.568-07:00Comments on here you will find my mathoms: the adventures of tim field (a eucharistic analogy)contrarian 78http://www.blogger.com/profile/06104559106619389825noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6829387754982675014.post-59802341076768162042008-12-16T13:12:00.000-08:002008-12-16T13:12:00.000-08:00Thanks for your comment. I had you and your line o...Thanks for your comment. I had you and your line of work in mind as I sat typing out my thoughts, and I'm sure you knew that.<br><br>I have two thoughts here--yes, you are right that in real life there still are consequences, and training can not be taken lightly.<br><br>But is that the scenario Paul envisions when he describes those who fail to appreciate the Eucharist? That they are not treating the ceremony or the symbolism with proper respect? Not at all. Far more than not training properly, he holds them guilty of not holding the body and blood of Our Lord with respect.<br><br>Yes, you view the training seminars as needing to be done with the utmost seriousness, but fundamentally it's training, not the reality.<br><br>That leads to my second thought. If you take this imaginary world as analogous to Catholicism and think that that leads to a training scenario where you have to shoot at real people, you're applying the Protestant framework of the sacrament to the Catholic one.<br><br>Instead of viewing Communion as some kind of training exercise, we view it as partaking of the reality of Christ's body and blood, His soul and divinity.<br><br>Going to Mass is bringing the reality of heaven, where we are united to Christ, down to earth. <br><br>Only within a Protestant framework does the comparison of Communion to a mere training session make sense. But, as I said, Paul's words show that he takes the matter more seriously, calling those who do not live up to the occasion guilty of failing to understand our Lord, not the mere reminder of our Lord.<br><br>If He is truly present in the sacrament, the punishment spoken of in I Corinthians does fit the crime.<br><br>But if it's a rehearsal for His real presence, I would argue that it does not.contrarian 78http://www.blogger.com/profile/06104559106619389825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6829387754982675014.post-84944732668637992652008-12-16T10:16:00.000-08:002008-12-16T10:16:00.000-08:00I’m probably going to argue against your analogy, ...I’m probably going to argue against your analogy, but here it goes:<br><br>Like Tim Field, I train, I train a lot. It’s my duty and my job to help train the new guys as well as continually train our ERT Team (Emergency Response Team). When we practice exercise scenarios, we do so with the utmost seriousness. Every week I come home bruised up from putting myself in a “red man” suit and acting as a criminal. I allow my team to twist, pull, hit, and tackle in ways that men should not be subjected. As the saying goes “we train hard to play hard.” I expect, no demand, from my partners that they treat every practice scenario just like it was the real deal. If a new guy or anyone on the team for that matter is snickering, joking around, or talking about other life issues than the issue at hand, I’m in their face. If the behavior continues then they’re off the team, or for someone brand new he is marked Unsatisfactory on his eval, his training is extended, and he can be fired. Or, if a person can’t apply the methods taught while in training he would have to step down from the team. <br><br>In the case of Tim Fields, well, let’s be honest, it’s ludicrous to say that he would be fired for shooting cardboard (I understand you’re making a point). However, that’s not to say there would not be serious consequences for failing to pass his scenarios. In real life, if he failed the testing scenarios there would be judgment upon him, namely failing the academy. <br><br>I suppose my overall point is that in the real world of training scenarios, a person might not face prison time for shooting cardboard, but there are stiff penalties (judgments) for failing to execute his training properly. Why? Because of the seriousness of the situation, every time we train we train as if it were a matter of life and death.<br><br>The strange thing to me is that given your scenario, the Catholic view would be that every training scenario would have to entail, not cardboard cutouts but real people walking around for Tim Field to shoot.foldreformerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15729659348340614678noreply@blogger.com